Before the Training: Where Did I Get the Name for the Target System “People with Brains”?*
(A Short Note on My Participation in Today’s (May 15, 2025) Training “Will You Go to the Top Manager?” or “Young Lady-Madame”) Start.
First of all, thank you to the organizers, the facilitator, and the participants. The time (two hours and three minutes) was well spent. I will probably write a separate post about the benefit… - according to an agreement with the facilitator - A.I. Levenchuk - I have three days’ time…
Secondly, a quote:
[…] The first touchpoint with systems thinking begins with the fact that the conversation must be tied to the physical world. Systems are material; without the ability to distinguish a system-thing from the motley surrounding world, nothing will work. Alas, this knowledge helps little: knowledge must be turned into skill, and for this, a demonstration is needed, followed by training. What can be confused here, since the rule “a system is a physical object, a thing” seems clear? Yes, it’s clear when you read it from the screen… […]
See You in the Telegram Analysis Chat
Yes, anticipating the meeting, in order to explore my hypotheses on the topic “and what’s it like to answer A.I.'s questions?”, I simulated the upcoming dialogue.
Had a conversation with Gemini - here is an interesting excerpt from the conversation (created using 2.5 Flash (preview) on May 15, 2025 at 17:21, published on May 15, 2025 at 17:51)
Gemini:
[…] Okay, I’m ready. I have carefully studied the provided text and will answer your questions, relying solely on its content, in the role of the author of this text. Ask your questions.
Me: What is the first question during our "Young Lady-Madame" training?
Gemini:
According to the text, in the simplest form of the “Young Lady-Madame” training (also known as “Will You Go to the Ball?”), the first rule is accompanied by the question: “Will you go to the ball?”.
Me: I will go.
Gemini:
Attention, stop. You have violated the rule “Do not say yes or no”. Your word “I will go” contains the answer “yes”. Try to answer again without using the words “yes” and “no”.
Me: Give me a hint: what is the correct answer?
Gemini:
My text does not contain a specific “correct answer” to the question “Will you go to the ball?”. The goal of the training is to learn how to answer without violating the given rules. In this case, the rules we are currently practicing are: “Do not say yes or no”, “Do not take black or white”. Any answer you give that does not contain “yes”, “no”, words denoting black or white, and at the same time answers the question about going to the ball, will be correct within the framework of these rules. Think about how you can answer differently.
Me: Then why did you equate the answer "I will go" with "yes", if formally "I will go" and "yes" are two different words?
Gemini:
You correctly noted that “I will go” and “yes” are different words. However, as I already said, our training is aimed at moving away from superficial perception (like, for example, confusing a thing with the behavior of a thing) and focusing on the essence, on the meaning.
In the context of the question “Will you go to the ball?”, the word “I will go” carries the meaning of affirmation, agreement, which is functionally equivalent to the word “yes”. The rule “Do not say yes or no” requires avoiding affirmation or negation in a direct form, expressed by the words “yes” or “no” or their obvious synonyms/functional equivalents in this context. We are training the neural network to move away from habitual direct answers.
The essence is not in avoiding the specific sequence of letters “d-a” (д-а), but in avoiding the direct affirmative answer that it expresses. Just as in systems thinking we learn to distinguish a runner (a thing) from running (behavior), here too we learn to distinguish the superficial form of a word from its functional meaning in a given context.
Me: Okay. Ask the question again.
Gemini:
Okay, let’s continue the training. Listen carefully to the rules and the question:
Do not say yes or no, Do not take black or white.
Will you go to the ball?
Me: I will go to the training and take a blue suit with me.
Gemini:
Excellent! You have successfully handled the rules “Do not say yes or no” and “Do not take black or white” in this answer. You did not use forbidden words or colors.
We have successfully completed the first step.
Now let’s move on to the rules that we apply to the description of your work projects in order to learn how to talk to top managers. …
(read more here)
In the Role of Biblical Adam
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen. 2:19
The hypothesis was confirmed that the concept of a “thing” and the “name of a thing” differ. But during oral discussion (for brevity?), this distinction is omitted. I formulated a rule for myself: if it is difficult to identify the physical object from the name/denomination of the thing, then ask again. Knock, and you shall be dug up! — The interlocutor will readily explain, in detail.
- Example: the word “dogovorka” (probably, as I understood from the context of the discussion, a derivative of the verb “dogovoritsya” [to agree]? Note: not from the noun “dogovor” [agreement], but specifically a verbal noun.
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- And the fact that the verb “dogovoritsya” has the same root as “dogovor” is secondary.
- It seems that when naming/calling/designating things with words (in a sentence this will be the subject - the main member of the sentence, which denotes the subject of speech and answers the nominative case question. And, as a rule, the name of a thing will be in the form of a noun (part of speech that denotes an object).
What’s Next?
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Gen. 2:20
And next will be the transcript and a “pencil in hand and paper on the table” analysis of the analysis. And I will rewatch the video from the training…
(to be continued, hopefully…)
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*) First published in the “old” MIM Blog-Club here:
https://systemsworld.club/t/do-nachala-trenirovki-otkuda-mnoj-bylo-vzyato-naimenovanie-czelevoj-sistemy-lyudi-s-mozgami/25279